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Getting rid of the bad apples in a net community

Published on Saturday, November 22, 2003 By Brad Wardell In Blogging

If you spend enough time in a net community you will run into all kinds of people. If you run a net community you have to make some tough decisions very quickly about what to do with some of these kinds of people. Some people, let's face it, are just bad apples. If you met them in person they might be perfectly reasonable, even normal people. But on-line something happens to them. They become aggressive, totally devoid of empathy, manipulative, emotionally needy to the point of demanding attention at all times.

What do you do with these anti-social people? Or actually, more to the point, these disruptive people? When I started WinCustomize, my instinct was firmly to go by the "freedom of speech" principle.  But as the site became more popular, the number of disruptive people increased. And these people would drive away the kinds of people that a net community really needs.

Eventually I was able to find out specifically what type of person really goes nuts when on-line: Narcisist.  Here are the primary symptoms:

Narcisim
  • Requires excessive admiration, adulation, attention and affirmation - or, failing that, wishes to be feared and to be notorious (Narcissistic Supply);
  • Feels entitled. Demands automatic and full compliance with his or her unreasonable expectations for special and favourable priority treatment;
  • Is "interpersonally exploitative", i.e., uses others to achieve his or her own ends;
  • Devoid of empathy. Is unable or unwilling to identify with, acknowledge, or accept the feelings, needs, preferences, priorities, and choices of others;
  • Constantly envious of others and seeks to hurt or destroy the objects of his or her frustration. Suffers from persecutory (paranoid) delusions as he or she believes that they feel the same about him or her and are likely to act similarly;

These kinds of people probably function fine in normal society because they do not have the ability (or means at least) to constantly be seen by hundreds, even thousands of people at once.  But on-line, they become monsters. And as bastardly as it may sound, over the years I've become increasingly intolerant of them. They tend to have the same patterns of behavior. But I still kept myself from removing these people in all but the most extreme cases.

But then something on another site happened. Over time, our site had become the most popular skin site in the world. Such popularity tends to breed resentment with some people and someone commented, wrongly, that we "Exile" people for simply disagreeing with us.  I argued passionately about how we do not do that. We only exile those who make personal attacks (after sufficient warning) or promote warez. But it became clear that there was a consensus that we remove people simply because they tick us off.

Which was a really freeing moment. Because we had wanted to remove disruptive people for a very long time but didn't because we were trying to be nice guys and we didn't want people elsewhere to see us as some sort of totalitarian regime. But heck, if we were already getting falsely accused of it, then why were we worrying about how people already hostile to us thought.

That was about 3 months ago and since then we have been able to clean up our net community with great effectiveness.  Now, if someone is a jerk or just plain pisses us off, they're gone. We exercise restraint still but essentially we just don't want to have jerks hanging out on our forums on WinCustomize.  And we mean jerks in the sense that these would be people that most people would find to be jerks.  If they go on and start flaming people or hijacking topics or being obnoxious, we'll look at what they've contributed to the community versus what they are currently doing. If they have contributed to the community we'll drop them an email asking them to watch their language or behavior. But if they've never done anything for the net community, zap. Just a click and they're history.  If it's a borderline case at all, we'll discuss it privately in our admin forum first before deciding. 

Not that it happens often. Maybe once a month or so. But what a difference it makes. Instead of having tempers running high because some jerk is trying to make life unpleasant for others, that jerk is now gone. Of course, those people can still go off to other sites and flame us. But at least it's not happening on our site.

The worst narcissists on-line tend to be women. I have no idea why that is except that males tend to enable them. I've seen textbook narcissists behaving in ways that if it were a male they would, at the very least, be criticized. But if it's a female, they'll get sympathy for behavior that no one would ever tolerate outside the Internet. Anyone who has spent even a few months on-line has almost certainly seen this.  But whether male or female they are equally disruptive to a community because both try to turn every forum, every topic, into being about them. Those who don't fall into line become targets.

I had an incident this past week where a narcissist type user who had long since been banned from our site for her behavior took her grievance to another site and began "Standard persecution post #226" about some other user. But subsequently she apparently could not control her anger and began lashing out at her usual target list of frustrations (such as me even though I wasn't even remotely involved on the issue she was upset about).  Such posts never resolve anything (particularly when on other sites that aren't even tangentially involved). All they do is create strive and ill feelings within a community.

That is why any administrator running a large net community will learn, as we eventually did, that you have to identify narcissists and remove them. Net communities (especially blogs) attract narcissists. Most bloggers, myself included, will exhibit some narcissistic traits. Identifying it in yourself or in others is crucial to being successful, long term, in a net community. But most of all, removing those who are unable to control their narcissism will go a long way to creating a healthier, happier net community.

 

John Grudger Part 2

Published on Saturday, November 22, 2003 By Brad Wardell In WinCustomize Talk

I have closed the other thread since ChichiGirl's husband was trying to turn it into a totally different topic of "Where's my wife's OD refund" (to which all I can say is I'll ask about it on Monday, I think I along with every admin on this site want to ensure that there is no reason whatsoever for chichigirl or her husband to have to visit this site).

But apparently this author's skins: https://www.wincustomize.com/skins.asp?authorid=222721 are claimed by ChiChigirl too.

I checked my email for emails from Chichi, there are a lot of them over the past number of years, and there was one in Feburary that made a mention of this person's skins.

Apparently there is dispute between John Grudger and ChiChigirl over who has rights on these skins. ChiChiGirl claims to have co-designed them. John Grudger claims to have made them. We don't know, but it is up to the accuser to provide the evidence and as one might not be surprised to hear, we are not favorably disposed to ChiChiGirl given her past behavior to take her at her word.

Jafo - whatever you think is best is okay with me.  It's a sticky situation. What apparently sparked it was that John updated his/her skins again and uploaded a bunch of new ones recently which sparked this new episode. If ChiChiGirl can prove she authored the skins then they are hers and those skins should be removed. Though it remains beyond me why someone would want to rip ChiChiGirl's skins.

 

Review: Politicians, Partisans, and Parasites: My Adventures

Published on Friday, November 21, 2003 By Brad Wardell In Politics

I just finished Politicians, Partisans, and Parasites: My Adventures in Cable News by Tucker Carlson. It's a book that is...well Tucker Carlson's adventures in Cable News. Which isn't necessarily a good thing or what exactly I was hoping the book would be about. But let me start from the beginning...

I first encountered Tucker Carlson on a late night TV show called "The Spin Room".  I immediately liked this guy as we share similar views on most issues. But more importantly than that, he was the first...for lack of a better word, Avatar for conservatives. Someone who was obviously a decent human being who could articulate in a common sense way why he's a conservative.

And his philosophy could be summed up as follows: I'm a conservative because I believe in self reliance. I don't need the government to play the role of mom. I think Americans are at their best when left alone to do the incredible things history has shown them capable of.

So perhaps my expectations were too high when I bought the book. I have no one else but to blame for that -- the book title is precisely what it is about. But he has shown a great tendency to articulate the conservative philosophies in ways no other conservative I've seen do. So I guess I was hoping to read a book in which each chapter articulated an aspect of conservatives and expressed the value of that particular belief.

Instead, we are treated to a set of episodes in cable news he's had. Many of which are not that interesting unless you watched the shows he's been on or are really into this stuff. I happen to follow cable news a great deal so I knew the kinds of things he was talking about. But I was surprised and yet not surprised to learn some of the grief he's experienced as a result of being a public figure. One can imagine the kind of crap that presidential candidates must experience when Tucker, relatively new on cable news, is getting sued for rape when he wasn't even in the state in which the rape allegedly occurred. The kinds of crazy stuff that celebrities of any kind face make me glad I'm a relatively unknown person. Then again, I go by the handle "Draginol" on JoeUser.com rather than using Brad Wardell ([email protected]) in all my articles. I get enough crazy email as is without every article advocating military action or lower taxes causing a flood of hate mail. Which is exactly the kind of stuff that Tucker Carlson has run into.

Overall, I found the book somewhat enjoyable but I would probably recommend people wait for the paperback version. And if Tucker Carlson ever reads this, please write another book that espouses why you're a conservative and the different merits, as you see it, of conservatism. That would be a book I think more people would enjoy.

 

Do welfare mothers see the government as their mothers?

Published on Friday, November 21, 2003 By Brad Wardell In Politics

Luvscure1 wrote an article that was very articulate even though I totally disagreed with it (which is why I featured it -- I wonder if Luvscure1 has anything to do with my favorite musical group, "The Cure" but that's a different subject).

Amount of sympathy I have for people on welfare: 0.

There are only two things you have to do in life to stay off of welfare statistically:

  1. Finish high school.
  2. Don't have any children until age 25.

While it won't guarantee you never being poor, it makes it exceptionally unlikely that you will be poor. That's it. In Luvscure's article she talks about her friend with 2 children who is just not able to make end's meet on welfare. She's going to school and her solution, I suspect, would be for welfare to be high enough such that she could afford to live decently (above poverty) with child care provided for so that she could go to school and get a degree to make a better life for her and her two children.

Sure sounds reasonable doesn't it? I mean, just a little helping hand, just a little compassion and someone would be able to turn their life around. How can you object to that? What kind of heartless bastard would want a woman and her two small children to live near poverty?

Of course, that's a strawman argument. No decent person wants anyone to live in poverty. What people want are for people to show some personal responsibility.  I'm not the brightest bulb out there, and having grown up quite poor myself, I know the type of lifestyle her friend is currently experiencing.  But even when I was a teen I had enough sense to know that a) having children too young was a ticket to the poor house.

The other problem with most welfare people I've met over the years is that they are amazingly UNresourceful. In Luvscure's article, she mentions her friend's kids have holes in their shoes. What? Purple heart and tons of other charities will gladly provide children with free shoes. Me suspects that that the woman is insisting on purchasing new shoes at the store. Sorry but that ain't the way to go about it. In fact, many things that Luvscure brings up just highlights the experiences I've had with welfare people - her friend also is having a hard time living in the city. Duh. How about moving OUT of the city where you can get low income housing that's much less expensive.  How about taking advantage of discount clothing places (Which is what my mother, a beacon of resourcefulness, did when we were poor).  What about taking advantage of bulk food services. Welfare can pay the bills if one is reasonably resourceful.

But that aside, the best way to get out of welfare is not to end up in a situation where you're in it in the first place.  Show me a welfare mother and I'll show you someone with at least 2 small children. Do these people not know where babies come from? First time around, okay. But as my mother demonstrated, you can successfully stay off of welfare if you only have 1 child. My mom didn't have the  luxury to go back to school and get a degree. So she worked her rear end off to make ends meet. She now owns a beautiful home that she owns (i.e. it's paid for) and has a pretty good standard of living all through common sense budgeting and wise planning over time.

But... have two children and things get a lot tougher. Expenses grow dramatically on that second child. But there's little excuse for it. How are we supposed to feel sorry for people who lack the common sense to avoid having two children they can't afford? How is it society's responsibility to subsidize immensely unwise people? 

I'll repeat it because it bears repeating: Finish high school AND don't have any children until you're at least 25 (or financially stable) and you will almost certainly not find yourself in poverty or on welfare.

The problem isn't the welfare system. The problem is people expecting the government to be mommy and daddy. If you're not grown up enough to be able to take care of yourself, you're not grown up enough to have children.

 

More flavors of DesktopX Pro Added!

Published on Friday, November 21, 2003 By Brad Wardell In WinCustomize News

By popular demand Stardock has created a new version of DesktopX Pro: DesktopX Pro LX.

DesktopX Pro LX lists for $129 ($99 upgrade for Object Desktop users). It is designed for power users interested in creating stand alone applications from DesktopX objects for personal, non-commercial use.

DesktopX is a program that can turbo-charge your Windows desktop by letting you add and create powerful objects to it that can do pretty much anything you want them to do. These objects can be put together to build entire desktop environments. It is one of the most popular desktop enhancement programs on Windows.

There is a free downloadable version of DesktopX at http://www.desktopx.net. The enhanced registered version adds additional features and is currently only $19.95 (it will go to $24.95 next month). There are thousands of objects and themes available for DesktopX.

The Pro version allows those same objects to be exported as stand-alone applications (applications that don't require DesktopX to be installed on the target system). These applications don't require any run-times or supporting files, they're a single .EXE.

Check out the WinCustomize DesktopX object library to get an idea of what kinds of things DesktopX objects are capable of doing.

The Creation of a Holiday Desktop...

Published on Friday, November 21, 2003 By Brad Wardell In WinCustomize News

Famed skin author and icon designer Mormegil has left sunny California and moved to perpetually warm and sunny Michigan and is now in charge of the new free Holiday Desktop.

He's been blogging his progress here.  It should be out real soon now. Check it out!

Part 1: http://mormegil.joeuser.com/index.asp?AID=1188

Part 2: http://mormegil.joeuser.com/index.asp?AID=1221

Part 3: http://mormegil.joeuser.com/index.asp?AID=1249

Part 4: http://mormegil.joeuser.com/index.asp?AID=1310

Part 5: http://mormegil.joeuser.com/index.asp?AID=1360

Do Mac users have a credibility problem?

Published on Friday, November 21, 2003 By Brad Wardell In WinCustomize News

MacOS X 10.3 is out. It's code-named "Panther". And once again Mac users are touting it as being OS perfection. But didn't they say the same thing about 10.2 ("Jaguar")? Didn't much the same get said about the original 10.0 release that was pretty much unusable for all but die-hards? Remember the comparison articles that all amazingly showed MacOS X to always be better than Windows XP? No, Jaguar was simply not as usable as Windows XP unless you were a pure Mac shop. But Panther, admittedly, is really good. But who will believe Mac claims at this point?

It would seem the Mac community has a credibility problem. This article on JoeUser talks about it while at the same time pointing out that, sure enough, Panther is actually quite good. But because Mac users denied the fairly significant issues many (particularly "switchers") people had with Jaguar, they face the problem of widespread skepticsm (check out Usenet and tech forums for examples) because Mac "advocates" tended to pretend problems with previous versions didn't exist (yet will later give kudos to Apple for fixing those same nonexisting problems in Panther).

MyTunes released

Published on Friday, November 21, 2003 By Brad Wardell In WinCustomize News
MyTunes is a nifty program that lets users who are playing music via iTunes from remote machines to be able to save that music locally. This is a very handy feature to have when you want those MP3s to be local and not always playing from remote.

Penis size and spam

Published on Friday, November 21, 2003 By Brad Wardell In Misc

Is penis size really that big of a problem?

Each day, I get around 600 to 800 email. About 400 to 600 of it is spam that gets filtered. But I swear, about half of it is email providing solutions to penis size. Things brings up two questions:

1) Is there really that big of a market for penis enlargement?

and

2) How did they know?

 

Bad hardware! BAD HARDWARE!

Published on Friday, November 21, 2003 By Brad Wardell In WinCustomize Talk

...Little bit frustrated...

Every hour or two this site reboots. WHy? There's some sort of hardware problem on the machien that ultimately causes XP server 2003 to blue screen. We have a new server going up but it's really frustrating seeing the site just die after hour or so.